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Mon Aug 12 21:18:19 2002 Minimum port is greater than max port Mon Aug 12 21:18:19 2002 *** DCC connections will use any ports Mon Aug 12 21:18:19 2002 *** Sent DCC CHAT [66.87.137.189:1054] request to Linknoid Mon Aug 12 21:18:27 2002 I've been fighting with transbot for a while. Mon Aug 12 21:18:48 2002 who's winning? Mon Aug 12 21:19:07 2002 Me, although it looks like transbot just scored a point; your dcc connection is going to fail. Mon Aug 12 21:19:45 2002 well, the connection is established, but transbot's not sending anything Mon Aug 12 21:20:15 2002 *** nemo (~Baxter@66.28.152.217) has joined channel #fest Mon Aug 12 21:20:15 2002 Welcome to #fest, nemo. Mon Aug 12 21:20:23 2002 greetings nemo Mon Aug 12 21:20:29 2002 hello. Mon Aug 12 21:21:21 2002 Jaeger, in response to your comment about September 1999, I went back and read your journals from that time period...kind of funny how many memories that brings back. Especially a free for all starcraft game :-) Mon Aug 12 21:21:22 2002 I run a paranoid firewall on Defiant; I attempted to install my patch that allows outgoing dcc connection ports to be specified, but apparently my patch broke somehow or another. Mon Aug 12 21:22:03 2002 so defiant is irc.festing.org now? Mon Aug 12 21:22:20 2002 oh, linknoid, you missed exactly nothing; I started Transbot up several seconds before you joined the channel. Mon Aug 12 21:22:20 2002 Minimum port is greater than max port Mon Aug 12 21:22:20 2002 *** DCC connections will use any ports Mon Aug 12 21:22:20 2002 *** Sent DCC CHAT [66.87.137.189:1055] request to Jaeger Mon Aug 12 21:23:10 2002 mmm... starcraft... Mon Aug 12 21:23:13 2002 oh, and I would be interested in getting the linknoidfesting database dump...maybe e-mail? it shouldn't be too big Mon Aug 12 21:23:28 2002 (but you did get the exact event I was referring to in the collective tile?) Mon Aug 12 21:23:57 2002 specific event? I'm not sure...when you and zulia broke up or something? Mon Aug 12 21:24:01 2002 74k. I ran pg_dump on the database, which creates a sql file that can be loaded into an empty postgres database. Mon Aug 12 21:24:03 2002 yeah. that'd be it. Mon Aug 12 21:24:24 2002 (At that point, I was a little disillusioned about the whole "love" thing.) Mon Aug 12 21:25:10 2002 and look at you now. the newest married member of festing gang Mon Aug 12 21:25:18 2002 yeah. crazy, eh? Mon Aug 12 21:25:29 2002 hey nemo, stop saying so much, I can't keep up with all your chatter Mon Aug 12 21:26:18 2002 * Jaeger has e-mailed Linknoid the database dump. Mon Aug 12 21:27:28 2002 so how has your life changed, generally speaking, since you got married? Mon Aug 12 21:28:08 2002 Sorry, my mom just called. Mon Aug 12 21:28:21 2002 (question directed at Jaeger, not nemo) Mon Aug 12 21:28:22 2002 mothers and voice communications. What's with them, anyway? Mon Aug 12 21:28:45 2002 hum, don't know. Mon Aug 12 21:28:45 2002 I have no clue. I haven't had a phone call from my mom since my sophomore year of college Mon Aug 12 21:28:49 2002 I now have a chunk of gold surrounding my left ring finger. Mon Aug 12 21:29:08 2002 do you know its composition? Mon Aug 12 21:29:12 2002 my silly little kitty is running all around my keyboard Mon Aug 12 21:29:23 2002 18k. I'm not actually sure what it's alloyed with. Mon Aug 12 21:29:43 2002 yeah, they never seem to want to tell all those interesting details. Mon Aug 12 21:30:07 2002 Gem and I now occupy one room at her parents' house, instead of two. Mon Aug 12 21:30:45 2002 something for which you are undoubtedly not opposed. Mon Aug 12 21:30:55 2002 No, not in the slightest. :) Mon Aug 12 21:31:07 2002 How long will you be there? Mon Aug 12 21:31:32 2002 At the moment, our lives are rather crazy, since we're trying to wrap up everything we need to do in Longview and head to Boulder on Wednesday, hoping that I'll manage to get some sort of "job" there. Mon Aug 12 21:31:57 2002 Are you still thinking about Spacial? Mon Aug 12 21:32:06 2002 Special? Mon Aug 12 21:32:15 2002 no Mon Aug 12 21:32:34 2002 don't remember how to spell it though, and I'm sure that's wrong. Mon Aug 12 21:32:39 2002 I called Jeff (my old boss) this morning and he said they just had another round of layoffs, but management is suddenly realizing that (gasp) they need *people* to get *things done*. Mon Aug 12 21:33:04 2002 Spaital. (Now a whoely-owned subsidary of Dassault Systemes, or something like that.) Mon Aug 12 21:33:07 2002 amazing realization. Mon Aug 12 21:33:43 2002 And since I know a whole lot about ACIS and C++ (since I worked there for two summers already), he's going to attempt to convince his superiors that they need to hire me. Mon Aug 12 21:34:32 2002 I was happing to discover a pdf printer driver for beos that lets me output to pdf from any program that can print. Mon Aug 12 21:34:42 2002 s/happing/happy Mon Aug 12 21:34:49 2002 ooh, that's exciting. Mon Aug 12 21:34:55 2002 I thought so. Mon Aug 12 21:35:05 2002 should come in handy for my resume Mon Aug 12 21:35:13 2002 indeed. Mon Aug 12 21:35:22 2002 does it use ghostscript, or something else? Mon Aug 12 21:35:35 2002 it appears to be its own thing. Mon Aug 12 21:35:35 2002 * Jaeger has decided to distribute his resume in pdf, since it allows me to control the formatting without bowing down before the Alter of Billg. Mon Aug 12 21:35:54 2002 excellent choice. Mon Aug 12 21:36:26 2002 enderson.ws/~linknoid/soot.jpg Mon Aug 12 21:36:54 2002 * Jaeger goes there Mon Aug 12 21:36:55 2002 yes, that is a very black cat. Mon Aug 12 21:37:57 2002 she got into my cake frosting, and now she's super hyper Mon Aug 12 21:38:37 2002 you just have cake frosting lying around? Mon Aug 12 21:39:01 2002 it was left over, she kept finding it and I kept moving it. I need to throw it away Mon Aug 12 21:39:16 2002 interesting. Mon Aug 12 21:39:37 2002 so Jaeger, what are you going to do with rage? Mon Aug 12 21:39:58 2002 Scott has claimed Rage for his desktop. Mon Aug 12 21:40:09 2002 ah. Mon Aug 12 21:40:10 2002 but honestly, there's only one thing I want to talk about, and all the friends I had around to discuss that subject have left Mon Aug 12 21:40:20 2002 new case? Mon Aug 12 21:40:34 2002 But I was able to compell him to let me borrow the hard drive for an hour. Mon Aug 12 21:41:17 2002 ah, so that explains the comments about data. Mon Aug 12 21:41:47 2002 I backed up everything from rage except my database stuff Mon Aug 12 21:42:47 2002 In the short term (one, two months), I want to recreate Content Solutions using a network of servers. This I mentioned in meatspace last weekend in the presence of at least Nemo and Bitscape. Mon Aug 12 21:43:42 2002 have you thought more about the specifics? Mon Aug 12 21:43:42 2002 Can anyone guess what happens November 5 of this year? (Jaeger might be able to, I doubt nemo would care) Mon Aug 12 21:43:53 2002 a new movie? Mon Aug 12 21:43:58 2002 In the medium term (three, four months), I would like to sit down and seriously consider funding Rage II. Mon Aug 12 21:44:01 2002 B5 on DVD. Mon Aug 12 21:44:24 2002 did you already pre-order? Mon Aug 12 21:44:41 2002 ah, i wasn't too far off. that was the sort of thing I thought you were talking about. Mon Aug 12 21:44:46 2002 The general idea for Rage II involves the festing.org/Content Solutions crowd paying for server and colocation. Mon Aug 12 21:45:03 2002 what does that sort of thing cost? Mon Aug 12 21:45:15 2002 Linknoid: negative. I think I'm going to try to walk into Best Buy on the day in question and pick one off the shelf. Which I probably won't actually be lucky enough to do. Mon Aug 12 21:45:20 2002 well, the hardware I know about, but not the other. Mon Aug 12 21:45:53 2002 It's going to cost more because to do it right, we'd have to get a 1U rackmount case, and the components to fit into it. Mon Aug 12 21:46:24 2002 so, is that mini atx or something different? Mon Aug 12 21:46:41 2002 I'd be tempted to guess mini atx, but I don't know for sure. Mon Aug 12 21:47:02 2002 surely not laptop components. Mon Aug 12 21:47:10 2002 but any guesses on approximate total cost (one time and continuing costs?) Mon Aug 12 21:47:32 2002 One time: (Rage II hardware) ~US$1000, maybe less if we're lucky. Mon Aug 12 21:47:38 2002 Continuing: ~US$100/month. Mon Aug 12 21:48:21 2002 and how many might be interested? Mon Aug 12 21:48:22 2002 For this to work, each of these costs would be distributed between n members, based on various factors, such as level of access desired and that sort of thing. Mon Aug 12 21:48:44 2002 (Kiesa, now hunting down shoes, says hi.) Mon Aug 12 21:48:57 2002 I'm interested. Bitscape has positivly indicated his interest. Mon Aug 12 21:49:34 2002 I would feel more interested if I were imployed... Mon Aug 12 21:50:10 2002 but you did say 3-4 months. Mon Aug 12 21:50:16 2002 I'm thinking two levels of "membership": Those who pay more (on the order of 1/n of the total monthly cost, where n is the number of people interested in this way) get root. Mon Aug 12 21:50:34 2002 I'm interested, mainly for CONSTANT e-mail service and for web hosting, and occasion ftp use Mon Aug 12 21:50:37 2002 Those who pay less (on the order of US$10/month?) get an account, but don't get root. Mon Aug 12 21:51:13 2002 I'd be cool with $15/month, but I don't need root Mon Aug 12 21:52:15 2002 that sounds reasonable, but 1/n may be fairly high if n is say 2 Mon Aug 12 21:52:40 2002 * Linknoid just figured out where all the noise in my sound card was coming from Mon Aug 12 21:52:43 2002 it was very obnoxious Mon Aug 12 21:53:01 2002 I just turned off the CD channel, and all the noise went away Mon Aug 12 21:53:10 2002 yeah. I'm hoping to increase n to three (Bitscape, myself, and someone else) before I commit to the project. Mon Aug 12 21:54:04 2002 any ideas? Mon Aug 12 21:54:27 2002 At the moment, it's still in the three to four month timeframe. So I'm not expending many cycles thinking about it. Mon Aug 12 21:54:38 2002 fair enought. Mon Aug 12 21:55:16 2002 hey, I have someone who wants to sell stuff he makes on the internet, maybe he'd be intersted in getting hosting (very low volume) for a small fee, I don't know Mon Aug 12 21:55:46 2002 but he might already have a web site, I don't know Mon Aug 12 21:55:49 2002 just brainstorming Mon Aug 12 21:56:57 2002 was that the original strategy with rage? Mon Aug 12 21:57:42 2002 The original strategy with Rage was "get other people to pay, and let l33t h4x0r Jaeger give accounts to as many of his friends as he wants." Mon Aug 12 21:58:17 2002 and the other people didn't come through. Mon Aug 12 21:58:31 2002 the landlord says your rent is late, he may have to litigate. Don't worry, be happy Mon Aug 12 21:59:10 2002 ain't got no cash, anin't got no style, and got no gal to make you smile, don't worry be happy Mon Aug 12 21:59:16 2002 *** Bitscape (bitscape@12.253.63.67) has joined channel #fest Mon Aug 12 21:59:16 2002 Welcome to #fest, Bitscape. Mon Aug 12 21:59:20 2002 yo Mon Aug 12 21:59:22 2002 welcome bitscape Mon Aug 12 21:59:25 2002 Nemo, I see you were able to get in Mon Aug 12 21:59:27 2002 hello bitscape Mon Aug 12 21:59:30 2002 Hi Mon Aug 12 21:59:33 2002 yes, thanks. Mon Aug 12 21:59:35 2002 Anybody else have problems? Mon Aug 12 21:59:38 2002 * Bitscape just got home Mon Aug 12 21:59:43 2002 problems with what? Mon Aug 12 21:59:48 2002 Connecting to irc Mon Aug 12 22:00:05 2002 hail Bitscape! Mon Aug 12 22:00:08 2002 I think it was on my end. Mon Aug 12 22:00:09 2002 Nemo emailed me saying that he was having trouble getting in a little less that 2 hours ago Mon Aug 12 22:00:11 2002 ah Mon Aug 12 22:00:12 2002 Kiesa says: "hi bitscape" Mon Aug 12 22:00:13 2002 Hello Mon Aug 12 22:00:21 2002 * Bitscape returns with a "Hello!" Mon Aug 12 22:00:27 2002 Jaeger, which town are you guys in now? Mon Aug 12 22:00:34 2002 :) Mon Aug 12 22:00:37 2002 "No, that is not what Kiesa said. She said, 'Hi! Hi! Hi!" Mon Aug 12 22:00:44 2002 Longview, until Wednesday. Mon Aug 12 22:00:52 2002 * Bitscape says "Howdy Ho!" Mon Aug 12 22:00:58 2002 ah Mon Aug 12 22:01:06 2002 You drivirg back down to Colorado after that? Mon Aug 12 22:01:11 2002 yeah. Mon Aug 12 22:01:25 2002 * Bitscape kicks back and starts relaxing Mon Aug 12 22:01:51 2002 I need to look at Nemo's pictures at some point Mon Aug 12 22:02:02 2002 oh yes, the film ones. Mon Aug 12 22:02:11 2002 Trying not to rush myself with all this stuff, but it seems like there's so much of it to take in. Mon Aug 12 22:02:38 2002 * Linknoid has access to a film/slide scanner, if you're interested, nemo Mon Aug 12 22:02:42 2002 yeah. Mon Aug 12 22:02:56 2002 Did anybody else hear that our President (of the USA) was threatening to order the military into California because dock workers were threatening to strike or something? Mon Aug 12 22:03:00 2002 wow, really? that's nice. those don't seem all that common. Mon Aug 12 22:03:20 2002 it's the camp's scanner, not mine Mon Aug 12 22:03:24 2002 no. Mon Aug 12 22:03:31 2002 no, hadn't heard that Mon Aug 12 22:03:34 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 22:03:39 2002 - Mon Aug 12 22:03:42 2002 * Jaeger hasn't been following much of the news lately. Mon Aug 12 22:03:45 2002 I hadn't either, until I started tuning to KGNU after work today Mon Aug 12 22:03:50 2002 is it a slide scanner or primarily a film scanner with some sort of adapter? Mon Aug 12 22:03:54 2002 stupid cat's running all over my keyboard Mon Aug 12 22:03:56 2002 Well, I sort of gave up on tv news a long time ago Mon Aug 12 22:03:56 2002 oh. Well, that's KGNU for you. Mon Aug 12 22:04:00 2002 I should listen to the radio more often. Mon Aug 12 22:04:12 2002 Lefter than left. Mon Aug 12 22:04:13 2002 yeah Mon Aug 12 22:04:23 2002 it's for slides and film. color inversion is done in software Mon Aug 12 22:04:27 2002 I'm looking for some other source to verify these facts with. Mon Aug 12 22:04:55 2002 I like KGNU, and I think I trust them more than CNN, but I would prefer to hear it from more than one place before I believe something. Mon Aug 12 22:05:08 2002 online sources? Mon Aug 12 22:05:33 2002 Cause if the president is indeed ordering military to crack down on people who are refusing to work in THIS country, that is BIG stuff that should be getting reported. Mon Aug 12 22:05:37 2002 Hmmm Mon Aug 12 22:05:51 2002 I would think so too Mon Aug 12 22:05:52 2002 Any good online world (or national) news sources you would recommend Nemo? Mon Aug 12 22:06:05 2002 news.bbc.co.uk? Mon Aug 12 22:06:06 2002 I'm checking yahoo news right now Mon Aug 12 22:06:09 2002 hmm, I'm just trying to think of them. Mon Aug 12 22:06:13 2002 * Bitscape will check that Mon Aug 12 22:06:26 2002 theregister.co.uk, but it's mainly tech. Mon Aug 12 22:06:41 2002 yeah Mon Aug 12 22:06:47 2002 I'm looking for something more general Mon Aug 12 22:07:07 2002 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020813/pl_nm/transport_ports_dc_1 Mon Aug 12 22:07:18 2002 Slashdot looks like it has almost been turning into a tech version of The Onion during the past few days Mon Aug 12 22:07:28 2002 national news, not army or navy or anything like that Mon Aug 12 22:07:35 2002 national guard, I mean Mon Aug 12 22:07:46 2002 ah Mon Aug 12 22:07:55 2002 Well isn't the National Guard part of the military? Mon Aug 12 22:08:03 2002 yeah it is Mon Aug 12 22:08:15 2002 * Bitscape finds that disturbing Mon Aug 12 22:08:51 2002 Much moreso that Sept 11, in fact, since it could reflect a nasty trend, and very few people appear to be paying attention. Mon Aug 12 22:08:58 2002 but that's the kind of stuff that's more their jurisdiction, I think. They're more concerned about small time security than fighting major wars Mon Aug 12 22:09:23 2002 * Jaeger had this vague instinct that perhaps the National Guard is regulated by the states, as in the militias the "right to bear arms" part of the Bill of Rights mentions. Mon Aug 12 22:09:24 2002 Regardless of who they are, do they have the right to force people to work against their will? Mon Aug 12 22:09:47 2002 (This has something to do with the fact that I think I usually hear "National Guard" preceeded by a state's name.) Mon Aug 12 22:09:55 2002 Bitscape, you are certainly right. There are sinister things afoot lately. Mon Aug 12 22:10:21 2002 Well, I'm glad I'm not the only person in the world who sees a little of it. Mon Aug 12 22:10:22 2002 I've been away from the news pretty completely for the last couple months Mon Aug 12 22:10:43 2002 Yeah Mon Aug 12 22:10:59 2002 even mostly away from the news, badness seems to filter in. Mon Aug 12 22:11:11 2002 Me too. I had pretty much given up on "official" news sources (like tv stations) completely. Mon Aug 12 22:11:29 2002 http://www.freelines.ru/misc/dont_worry/don't_worry_be_happy.mp3 Mon Aug 12 22:11:58 2002 I can hardly stand to fly these days, but that certianly isn't all of it, just a high-profile instance. Mon Aug 12 22:12:52 2002 And then slashdot is running a comedy show over here, with stories about new "Security vulnerabilitys" in IE like this: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/08/12/1341239.shtml?tid=172 Mon Aug 12 22:12:57 2002 I haven't done any flying since 2000 Mon Aug 12 22:13:30 2002 Linknoid, you can be glad of that. Mon Aug 12 22:13:31 2002 hmmmm Mon Aug 12 22:13:33 2002 anyway... Mon Aug 12 22:13:46 2002 * Bitscape wants to look at Nemo's pictures Mon Aug 12 22:14:23 2002 I'm thinking I won't have walmart scan any more of my film. Mon Aug 12 22:14:34 2002 poor quality? Mon Aug 12 22:14:37 2002 bad scans? Mon Aug 12 22:14:49 2002 yeah, seems the compression is set too high. Mon Aug 12 22:14:57 2002 that's ungood. Mon Aug 12 22:15:02 2002 yes. Mon Aug 12 22:15:24 2002 i don't enjoy seeing jpeg artifacts. Mon Aug 12 22:15:52 2002 you should ask them about it. maybe they would do something about it if you complain Mon Aug 12 22:16:06 2002 of course, it didn't help that i scaled them so I wouldn't have to modify my display code. Mon Aug 12 22:16:25 2002 they might, but right now i don't have the time to pursue it. Mon Aug 12 22:17:00 2002 * Jaeger contributes to Bitscape's "The Oldest Profession" thread. Mon Aug 12 22:17:10 2002 hmmmm Mon Aug 12 22:17:16 2002 I started that one a long time ago. Mon Aug 12 22:17:22 2002 Or so it seems Mon Aug 12 22:18:07 2002 * Jaeger finally managed to sit down and read it. Mon Aug 12 22:18:16 2002 Bitscape, there are thumbnails too. Mon Aug 12 22:18:42 2002 * Jaeger wonders if perhaps the National Guard should take over for baseball players if they strike. Mon Aug 12 22:19:01 2002 lol Mon Aug 12 22:19:27 2002 * Jaeger will now wander off, for a short interval, to carry boxes around for his beautiful wife. Mon Aug 12 22:19:27 2002 so they would play baseball, or force the players to play at gunpoint? Mon Aug 12 22:19:43 2002 Wait a sec.... When they send the national guard in, do the guard try to threaten the workers into working, or take over for them while they negotiote? Mon Aug 12 22:19:56 2002 That's what I was wondering Mon Aug 12 22:20:18 2002 hmm, beats me. Mon Aug 12 22:20:19 2002 Well... speaking of striking, things are looking pretty heated over at my workplace Mon Aug 12 22:20:41 2002 * Bitscape told everyone up the management chain that he plans to leave his current job in january. Mon Aug 12 22:21:00 2002 did they offer to let you leave sooner? Mon Aug 12 22:21:07 2002 Didn't say anything. Mon Aug 12 22:21:22 2002 Except to thank me for the warning. Mon Aug 12 22:21:29 2002 It's just too much stress around there to handle these days. Mon Aug 12 22:21:32 2002 has anyone else left of his own accord? Mon Aug 12 22:21:59 2002 Well... Those fools at the top let 5 of their best engineers go back in may, and now expect the rest of us to cover all the extra work, apparently. Mon Aug 12 22:22:09 2002 hey bitscape, if you're curious, the gift certificate went for a couple Enya CDs I've been wanting to get for several years Mon Aug 12 22:22:17 2002 Oh cool Mon Aug 12 22:22:30 2002 * Bitscape has one enya cd called Shepherd Moon Mon Aug 12 22:22:34 2002 Which ones did you get? Mon Aug 12 22:22:37 2002 that is just insane. Mon Aug 12 22:22:41 2002 umm, just a second, let me check Mon Aug 12 22:23:27 2002 * Bitscape mostly caught up on entering things into his gnucash checkbook last night, and decided he had money to buy a few nice things at Best Buy today. Mon Aug 12 22:23:53 2002 watermark and shepherd's moon Mon Aug 12 22:23:56 2002 cool Mon Aug 12 22:24:48 2002 * Bitscape plans to have all debts paid off by around December, assuming everything works out right. Mon Aug 12 22:25:48 2002 * Linknoid debates whether to pay off student loan, save money, buy Star Trek and B5 DVDs, or waste money on expensive electronics Mon Aug 12 22:25:58 2002 can't do all of them Mon Aug 12 22:26:12 2002 * Bitscape will now listen to his new Janet music (from '86) and zone for a bit Mon Aug 12 22:26:17 2002 Yeah Mon Aug 12 22:26:24 2002 That's always a tough balance Linknoid. Mon Aug 12 22:26:38 2002 so get all your debts paid off just in time to rack up some new ones as you quit your job Mon Aug 12 22:26:51 2002 I don't plan to accrue new debts. Mon Aug 12 22:27:10 2002 If necessary, I'll just live out in my happy little car for a few days. Mon Aug 12 22:27:17 2002 (or months) Mon Aug 12 22:27:22 2002 or years? Mon Aug 12 22:27:26 2002 Welll.... Mon Aug 12 22:27:33 2002 Preferably not that long Mon Aug 12 22:27:54 2002 * Jaeger posted new content today Mon Aug 12 22:27:59 2002 * Linknoid read it Mon Aug 12 22:28:00 2002 But someone I know in Tennessee has informed me that I would be welcome at their place to crash for a few days if I want to wander Mon Aug 12 22:28:13 2002 bitscape has posted enough content to make up for everyone this weekend Mon Aug 12 22:28:21 2002 heh Mon Aug 12 22:28:27 2002 Yeah, I think I lost everybody for a while there. Mon Aug 12 22:28:53 2002 * nemo almost kept up. Mon Aug 12 22:29:10 2002 just curious, did anyone besides Jaeger read my Content Collective thread, and the stories therein? Mon Aug 12 22:29:24 2002 Or... ya know, if the power stops running (which some predict is quite possible), I'll just park my car in some dark corner at the edge of town, walk to pearl street, and zone with the junkies out there. Mon Aug 12 22:29:32 2002 Which one? Mon Aug 12 22:29:36 2002 When was it? Mon Aug 12 22:29:41 2002 I didn't see any announces. Mon Aug 12 22:30:00 2002 maybe you weren't looking then Mon Aug 12 22:30:01 2002 no, just with reading. Mon Aug 12 22:30:05 2002 Nemo, I admire your bravery. My mind was out there. Mon Aug 12 22:30:24 2002 it was a challenge. Mon Aug 12 22:30:51 2002 When was this thread posted Linknoid? Mon Aug 12 22:30:56 2002 today Mon Aug 12 22:31:12 2002 Ah. I see it now. Mon Aug 12 22:31:36 2002 I read everything, but spent a lot of time I couldn't follow what you were saying Mon Aug 12 22:31:43 2002 oh yeah, i need to finish reading Linknoids account. I enjoyed what I've gotten to so far Mon Aug 12 22:31:47 2002 That would explain. I've been at work all day (very busy there), on pearl street after that, and then my meditation class from which I just came home Mon Aug 12 22:32:11 2002 * Jaeger commented on Linknoid's content. Mon Aug 12 22:32:20 2002 i saw that. Mon Aug 12 22:32:53 2002 And now that my weekend is over, all the other content farmers are putting out content again. Mon Aug 12 22:33:02 2002 * Bitscape sighs Mon Aug 12 22:33:19 2002 * Bitscape feels the stress meter about to max Mon Aug 12 22:33:44 2002 uh oh. good thing it's irc night. Mon Aug 12 22:33:44 2002 Not trying to push you guys away. I just need a moment of rest. Mon Aug 12 22:34:10 2002 stress, what's that? Mon Aug 12 22:34:17 2002 * Bitscape tears the shrinkwrap off the delicately minted consumer product Mon Aug 12 22:34:35 2002 Heh :) Mon Aug 12 22:34:47 2002 You said you were still working at the summer camp, right Linknoid? Mon Aug 12 22:34:51 2002 * nemo thinks he'll go peel a couple carrots. Mon Aug 12 22:34:59 2002 whenever I get stressed, I play this song: Mon Aug 12 22:35:12 2002 http://www.freelines.ru/misc/dont_worry/don't_worry_be_happy.mp3 Mon Aug 12 22:35:32 2002 summer camp is over Mon Aug 12 22:35:39 2002 ended yesterday morning Mon Aug 12 22:35:42 2002 Yeah, I noticed you posted it earlier Mon Aug 12 22:35:54 2002 ah Mon Aug 12 22:36:05 2002 So heading back to a relatives house now? Mon Aug 12 22:36:35 2002 no, I work at the physical camp all year round, but the fun stuff is over for the year. Mon Aug 12 22:36:50 2002 everyone went home Mon Aug 12 22:36:57 2002 nobody to talk to anymore Mon Aug 12 22:37:08 2002 except on IRC Mon Aug 12 22:38:17 2002 doh Mon Aug 12 22:38:34 2002 Well, I guess those of us who are here managed to make it tonight Mon Aug 12 22:38:40 2002 :) Mon Aug 12 22:39:52 2002 one of the guys I worked with now has a girlfriend because of the efforts of us co-workers Mon Aug 12 22:40:05 2002 cool Mon Aug 12 22:40:17 2002 oh, Linknoid, Matt's been wanting to talk to you. I told him he should download in irc client. Mon Aug 12 22:40:33 2002 oh yeah, I've been wanting to get ahold of him, but I keep forgetting Mon Aug 12 22:41:13 2002 I thought he might be interested in the train (no not a little model, a real train, 1/3rd size) that's being put in here Mon Aug 12 22:41:39 2002 so Wawona is trying to keep up with Leoni Meadows? Mon Aug 12 22:41:42 2002 at the camp! really? that's neat. Mon Aug 12 22:41:55 2002 Wawona's trying to outdo everyone Mon Aug 12 22:42:10 2002 completely rebuilding EVERYTHING over the next 12 years or so Mon Aug 12 22:42:26 2002 * Bitscape allows the melodies to gradually turn him into Janet's little soma puppy again. Mon Aug 12 22:42:49 2002 * nemo listens to Handel Mon Aug 12 22:42:50 2002 referring to a comment I made about 10 lines up... Mon Aug 12 22:43:21 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 22:43:44 2002 he couldn't talk about anything but her, but he was too afraid to talk to her Mon Aug 12 22:43:54 2002 heh Mon Aug 12 22:43:57 2002 I've been there Mon Aug 12 22:44:31 2002 finally, the assistant manager and his wife put together a very fancy banquet and invited them to help "serve" for two other couples Mon Aug 12 22:44:59 2002 and then when they showed up, they were led to the table, and they were both so embarassed they couldn't stop laughing for about 10 minutes Mon Aug 12 22:45:08 2002 heh Mon Aug 12 22:46:28 2002 but we would discuss our respective situations very frequently, but now that he left I don't have anyone to talk to about it anymore, and it's driving me crazy Mon Aug 12 22:46:37 2002 * Bitscape increases the dosage intensity Mon Aug 12 22:46:55 2002 me neither linknoid Mon Aug 12 22:47:00 2002 well, sort of Mon Aug 12 22:47:16 2002 you don't have anyone to talk to? Mon Aug 12 22:47:17 2002 I've got coworkers, but they are increasingly busy running "tests" Mon Aug 12 22:47:36 2002 what kind of tests? Mon Aug 12 22:47:48 2002 And I've got meditation classes, like tonight, which are friendly, but I don't know anyone there well Mon Aug 12 22:48:15 2002 "The operation timed out when attempting to contact jaeger.festing.org" Mon Aug 12 22:48:25 2002 hmm Mon Aug 12 22:48:29 2002 Tests on the products the company sells. Mon Aug 12 22:48:38 2002 it's kind of that way here to. everyone is gone from walla walla. Mon Aug 12 22:48:55 2002 I can't reveal too much about it, because it's all confidential company stuff. Mon Aug 12 22:49:03 2002 jaeger.festing.org works for me. Mon Aug 12 22:49:06 2002 (Which is also part of the reason I'm wanting to get out of there in 5 months) Mon Aug 12 22:49:13 2002 odd Mon Aug 12 22:49:30 2002 All this code red IIS garbage over the weekend has sort of been tweaking my nerves too. Mon Aug 12 22:49:36 2002 yeah, I probably don't have any need to hear about your company's secrets, I was just wondering what kind of tests you meant Mon Aug 12 22:49:40 2002 I've been trying to watch my apache logs just a little. Mon Aug 12 22:49:44 2002 it works for me too. Mon Aug 12 22:49:54 2002 jaeger.festing.org works for me Mon Aug 12 22:50:01 2002 Believe me Linknoid, the secrets are not that great. Mon Aug 12 22:50:39 2002 It really amounts to a bunch of smoke and mirrors to grind money out of people who don't have a clue how computers work. Mon Aug 12 22:51:08 2002 you get any patents for your company? Mon Aug 12 22:51:10 2002 It may have been good at one point, but I have become tired of being a part of the whole operation, which is why I have announced I will be taking my leave. Mon Aug 12 22:51:24 2002 so they can sue everyone on the internet to stay in business? Mon Aug 12 22:51:58 2002 The company did get a patent a couple years ago, which concerned me greatly. However, the VP was able to convince me they did not intend to abuse any of it. So far, they have not, which is good. Mon Aug 12 22:52:40 2002 But anyway, the person who "invented" this great patented technology has been laid off a couple months ago, so who's to say... Mon Aug 12 22:52:43 2002 but when they go out of business, someone will buy their assets Mon Aug 12 22:52:59 2002 They expect to become profitable in the long term. Mon Aug 12 22:53:03 2002 I guess. Mon Aug 12 22:53:19 2002 Or that's the "target goal" (some such) for some point in the future. Mon Aug 12 22:53:52 2002 Personally, I have become tired of following such illusive goals, and would rather spend my time walking in nature, even if it means I have to go hungry occassionally. Mon Aug 12 22:54:40 2002 do you speak metaphorically? Mon Aug 12 22:54:44 2002 or literally Mon Aug 12 22:54:49 2002 I actually have a feeling I will be able to find a more satisfying position somewhere though. Mon Aug 12 22:54:57 2002 Mmmmm, a little of both I suppose. Mon Aug 12 22:55:08 2002 Well, let's put it this way. I think I would like to move to another city. Mon Aug 12 22:55:12 2002 You could take up farming. There is a small operation not far from my Dad's in Tenn. that does just that--profitably. Mon Aug 12 22:55:30 2002 Find a job at a startup that actually cares about doing some good in the world (as well as running a business) Mon Aug 12 22:55:38 2002 bitscape, farming, huh? Mon Aug 12 22:55:47 2002 Well, I'm not really a farmer. Mon Aug 12 22:55:51 2002 that would be interesting :-) Mon Aug 12 22:55:56 2002 sure, walk in nature, have food to eat . . . :) Mon Aug 12 22:56:09 2002 yes, I suppose it would. Mon Aug 12 22:56:53 2002 * Linknoid doesn't pay for food or housing, which is very awesome Mon Aug 12 22:57:09 2002 so, do you have any cities in mind? Mon Aug 12 22:57:19 2002 If Jaeger and I really wanted to be ambitious business freaks with Rage2, and could get a charismatic business junkie like scottgalvin.com in on it... Mon Aug 12 22:57:56 2002 * Jaeger tries not to laugh Mon Aug 12 22:57:59 2002 Setup a streaming media server for local artists or something Mon Aug 12 22:58:15 2002 I'm serious (sort of, maybe) Mon Aug 12 22:58:15 2002 I can't imagine depending on a livelyhood using rage2 Mon Aug 12 22:58:26 2002 maybe as a side business Mon Aug 12 22:58:31 2002 and hope it grows Mon Aug 12 22:58:44 2002 Now is the time that Hollywood and the RIAA have made themselves completely clueless. Mon Aug 12 22:58:54 2002 yeah linknoid that's a good thought Mon Aug 12 23:00:15 2002 So if we could find local artists and musicians who are interested in producing content, distribute it through a hi-band server which charges a reasonable membership fee, and send a reasonably percentage (call it a royalty) to the artists (which doesn't try to screw them the way the big record labels do), we might be able to make something we could almost live off of. Mon Aug 12 23:00:56 2002 I could produce content, but nobody would want to listen to it Mon Aug 12 23:01:07 2002 I'd like to at least talk to scottgalvin.com about his thoughts on the possibilities and drawbacks of such a venture. Mon Aug 12 23:01:21 2002 What content could you produce Linknoid? Mon Aug 12 23:01:36 2002 musical variety is what I was referring to Mon Aug 12 23:01:42 2002 * Bitscape suspects Yanthor's wife Anya might have some "content" some people might be interested in hearing. Mon Aug 12 23:01:47 2002 but nothing that anyone would want to listen to Mon Aug 12 23:01:55 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 23:02:05 2002 I guess it would have to be targeted right. Mon Aug 12 23:02:12 2002 I dunno. Mon Aug 12 23:02:25 2002 it's fine playing in person, just for fun, but not worth recording or anything Mon Aug 12 23:02:26 2002 If other people really think it's a deadend burnout idea, I'll give it up. Mon Aug 12 23:02:42 2002 I have no clue, I was just thinking of how I could contribute Mon Aug 12 23:02:46 2002 but I probably couldn't Mon Aug 12 23:02:55 2002 But it seems like more fun to me to try to risk a little to make something genuinely good, instead of just going to another place to feed the corporate deadness. Mon Aug 12 23:03:43 2002 go out and talk to street musicians, maybe you could interest some of them... Mon Aug 12 23:04:01 2002 Yeah, there's a LOT of really good ones on Pearl Street lately. Mon Aug 12 23:04:14 2002 a perfect starting place Mon Aug 12 23:04:49 2002 The trick is to balance artist's rights, getting enough money for yourself (the person who would provide the hosting, bandwidth, tech services, etc), and getting a reasonable fee from customers. (And getting them interested. That can be hard.) Mon Aug 12 23:05:23 2002 I'm actually going to invest in a nice mic and a live portable CD recorder, I'll let you know what kind of quality I can get Mon Aug 12 23:05:35 2002 And frankly, I'm not even certain I would be ready to engage in such a venture myself. Mon Aug 12 23:05:47 2002 Just throwing out possible ideas right now, to see how people react. Mon Aug 12 23:05:55 2002 Cool, Linknoid. Mon Aug 12 23:06:18 2002 hey, maybe if I get tired of this job, I could move to San Fransisco or something and find people to broadcast their music for Mon Aug 12 23:06:20 2002 I don't know Mon Aug 12 23:06:27 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 23:06:44 2002 Hasn't San Fransisco mostly emptied out after the dot com meltdown? Mon Aug 12 23:07:14 2002 http://www.bswonline.com/public/prod_item.asp?item=CDR300 Mon Aug 12 23:07:21 2002 (My weekend experiments in opening up a little media server of my own are also giving me ideas for the technical aspects...) Mon Aug 12 23:07:36 2002 Well, more unemployment means more streetside musicians, right? Mon Aug 12 23:07:56 2002 that's one way to look at it. Mon Aug 12 23:08:25 2002 Correct Mon Aug 12 23:09:14 2002 But the way things are going in my current job, I'm getting to the point where I might rather be an unemployed streetside musician than get more tests dumped on me by apathetic management who have lost all drive because.... well, you know. Mon Aug 12 23:09:36 2002 hey, would having someone in another state buy something for you and ship it to you so you don't have to pay sales tax considered tax evasion? Mon Aug 12 23:09:49 2002 People are figuring out that it's all a big hall of empty promises. Mon Aug 12 23:09:56 2002 I dunno. Mon Aug 12 23:10:35 2002 the tax on that recorder is going to be about $50... Mon Aug 12 23:11:16 2002 ouch Mon Aug 12 23:11:22 2002 is it available elsewhere? Mon Aug 12 23:11:33 2002 Beyond that, I pretty much alienated the one laid off friend I had been keeping contact with by spewing spazzed out so much spazzed out garbage friday night. Mon Aug 12 23:11:34 2002 yeah, but they're $50 cheaper than anywhere else I found Mon Aug 12 23:11:58 2002 * Bitscape puts on headphones to fall asleep on the floor to. Mon Aug 12 23:12:26 2002 that doesn't help. Mon Aug 12 23:13:02 2002 hmm, how would you convince people to pay for music on the internet Mon Aug 12 23:13:05 2002 that's the big question Mon Aug 12 23:13:06 2002 So don't none of you judge me when a paycheck comes next month, and I decide I've got $250 extra for the woman who first touched me. Money which she can then take home to feed her children and send them to a good school. Mon Aug 12 23:13:37 2002 that's always one way to look at it. Mon Aug 12 23:13:53 2002 Linknoid: Make it convenient and easy to access. The way the music I've been trying to put out there over my cable line would be, provided more bandwidth were available. Mon Aug 12 23:14:38 2002 so how much bandwidth would the customer need? Mon Aug 12 23:14:46 2002 Just as an experiment, I tried listening to a little of it by streaming it into work today. Seemed to do ok, although latency was high when the connection was initiated. Mon Aug 12 23:14:48 2002 Another option...make downloading free, but sell CDs for relatively cheap. People will buy the CDs if they like the music Mon Aug 12 23:15:00 2002 yeah Mon Aug 12 23:15:07 2002 That's what mp3.com was doing. Mon Aug 12 23:15:29 2002 I won't pretend such a venture would be easy or have any guaranteed success. Mon Aug 12 23:15:32 2002 Maybe $6-8 a CD Mon Aug 12 23:15:39 2002 Tons of competition out there. Mon Aug 12 23:15:48 2002 No ripping people off like the big labels Mon Aug 12 23:15:52 2002 yeah Mon Aug 12 23:16:20 2002 You can get CDs made with covers, jewel cases, etc. for a little over $1 Mon Aug 12 23:16:27 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 23:16:36 2002 Some sort of outsourcing service for that? Mon Aug 12 23:16:39 2002 in quantities over 1000 Mon Aug 12 23:16:57 2002 yeah, I did a bunch of research on CD replication and duplication at the beginning of the summer Mon Aug 12 23:17:30 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 23:17:31 2002 I was going to make a CD for my co-workers, but I never did get any good recordings. That's why I'm going to invest in the CD recorder and a good mic Mon Aug 12 23:18:09 2002 duplication == burning, replication == pressed glass master Mon Aug 12 23:18:09 2002 Linknoid, is this piano? guitar? Mon Aug 12 23:18:21 2002 of what I was recording? Mon Aug 12 23:18:31 2002 yeah. Mon Aug 12 23:18:33 2002 actually of the programs that were put on Mon Aug 12 23:18:34 2002 hmmm Mon Aug 12 23:18:43 2002 Well guys, this has been fun. Mon Aug 12 23:18:51 2002 yeah, it's getting late Mon Aug 12 23:18:53 2002 At this point, I am absolutely beat. Mon Aug 12 23:19:01 2002 by a bunch of thugs? Mon Aug 12 23:19:10 2002 Negative Mon Aug 12 23:19:18 2002 getting that time alright. Mon Aug 12 23:19:28 2002 However, if I do ever end up in a prision, I intend to have learned how to protect myself. Mon Aug 12 23:19:29 2002 I need to get up sometime tomorrow to work Mon Aug 12 23:19:39 2002 no more 5:50 AM Mon Aug 12 23:19:45 2002 every morning this summer Mon Aug 12 23:19:55 2002 ... as the environment around the office gradually starts to resemble a prison more and more every day, or so it seems to me... Mon Aug 12 23:19:56 2002 anyway... Mon Aug 12 23:20:04 2002 have a good night Mon Aug 12 23:20:07 2002 You too. Mon Aug 12 23:20:11 2002 Peace, all. Mon Aug 12 23:20:14 2002 bye Bitscape. Mon Aug 12 23:20:18 2002 bye bitscape Mon Aug 12 23:20:18 2002 Night night (from Kiesa) Mon Aug 12 23:20:19 2002 Bye Nemo Mon Aug 12 23:20:23 2002 Thanks for chatting Mon Aug 12 23:20:24 2002 bye nemo Mon Aug 12 23:20:25 2002 (Jaeger's currently away) Mon Aug 12 23:20:28 2002 Bye all Mon Aug 12 23:20:32 2002 bye Jaeger Mon Aug 12 23:20:35 2002 bye Kiesa Mon Aug 12 23:20:37 2002 good hearing frmo you. Mon Aug 12 23:20:37 2002 Bye Kiesa (and Jaeger away) Mon Aug 12 23:20:43 2002 * Bitscape waves Mon Aug 12 23:20:48 2002 bye transbot Mon Aug 12 23:20:58 2002 *** Signoff: Bitscape (off to trip on Janet pills before bed) Mon Aug 12 23:20:58 2002 Bitscape has left the building Mon Aug 12 23:21:09 2002 transbot, quote before I sleep? Mon Aug 12 23:21:21 2002 nemo, give matt my e-mail: linknoid Mon Aug 12 23:21:28 2002 @swirve.com, or linknoid@festing.org Mon Aug 12 23:21:40 2002 okay Mon Aug 12 23:21:49 2002 his is enosma@hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 23:21:50 2002 ok have a good night Mon Aug 12 23:21:56 2002 good night. Mon Aug 12 23:21:58 2002 all right, I'll remember that Mon Aug 12 23:22:01 2002 wave Mon Aug 12 23:22:10 2002 *** Signoff: Linknoid () Mon Aug 12 23:22:10 2002 Linknoid has left the building Mon Aug 12 23:22:28 2002 Jaeger has been pretty quite. Mon Aug 12 23:23:07 2002 Kiesa has arrived. She has declared herself done with packing for the night. Mon Aug 12 23:23:41 2002 sounds like you are ready to give here some attention then. Mon Aug 12 23:24:26 2002 Have a good trip. Mon Aug 12 23:24:38 2002 thanks Mon Aug 12 23:24:54 2002 talk to you next monday i guess. Mon Aug 12 23:25:19 2002 peace Mon Aug 12 23:25:23 2002 bye Mon Aug 12 23:25:35 2002 *** Signoff: Jaeger (BitchX: its what's for lunch) Mon Aug 12 23:25:35 2002 Jaeger has left the building Mon Aug 12 23:25:36 2002 *** Signoff: nemo () Mon Aug 12 23:25:36 2002 nemo has left the building