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Mon May 13 13:09:19 2002 *** - Mon May 13 13:09:19 2002 *** - Join us in #fest at 1900 PDT every Monday. Mon May 13 13:09:19 2002 *** on 1 ca 2(4) ft 10(10) tr Mon May 13 13:09:19 2002 *** TransBot (jaeger@ziyal.festing.org) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 13:09:19 2002 *** #fest 1021320559 Mon May 13 15:05:08 2002 *** root (root@vsat-148-63-89-56.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 15:05:08 2002 Welcome to #fest, root. The conversation is pseudo-scheduled to begin at 0200 GMT. Mon May 13 15:05:51 2002 transbot, how about a quote Mon May 13 15:05:51 2002 Female tractor beams are deadly. Mon May 13 15:05:51 2002 - Scott J. Galvin, 02 November 1999 Mon May 13 15:06:02 2002 goodbye transbod Mon May 13 15:06:05 2002 bot Mon May 13 15:06:10 2002 *** Signoff: root (root) Mon May 13 15:06:10 2002 root has left the building Mon May 13 18:06:51 2002 *** Yanthor (Yanthor@h162-040-091-211.adsl.navix.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 18:06:51 2002 Welcome to #fest, Yanthor. The conversation is pseudo-scheduled to begin at 0200 GMT. Mon May 13 18:39:38 2002 transbot, can you provide me with a quote by Bitscape? Mon May 13 18:39:38 2002 [Mountain Dew:] the perfect thought beverage Mon May 13 18:39:38 2002 - Neelix, 15 October 2000 Mon May 13 18:40:05 2002 transbot, can you be so kind as to provide me with another quote? Mon May 13 18:40:05 2002 Most of what I've told you is an absolute fact. Mon May 13 18:40:05 2002 - Doug Logan, 22 December 1999 Mon May 13 18:40:21 2002 transbot, more quotes? Mon May 13 18:40:21 2002 Female tractor beams are deadly. Mon May 13 18:40:21 2002 - Scott J. Galvin, 02 November 1999 Mon May 13 18:40:25 2002 transbot, more quotes? Mon May 13 18:40:25 2002 In ancient times, way back during the Disco era... Mon May 13 18:40:25 2002 -- ncftp manpage Mon May 13 18:40:28 2002 transbot, more quotes? Mon May 13 18:40:28 2002 UNIX doesn't have a monopoly on Good Ideas, it just owns most of them. Mon May 13 18:40:28 2002 - Alan Cox Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 transbot, more quotes? Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 you spend enough time with [Gem] and you'll get so stoned you'll want Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 to do something REALLY stupid like... Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 (drum roll) Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 ...marry her Mon May 13 18:40:34 2002 - Neelix, to Jaeger, 04 September 2001 Mon May 13 18:41:05 2002 *** Bitscape (bitscape@12-253-115-223.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 18:41:05 2002 Welcome to #fest, Bitscape. The conversation is pseudo-scheduled to begin at 0200 GMT. Mon May 13 18:41:13 2002 Yanthor! Mon May 13 18:41:23 2002 We don't usually see you here these days. :) Mon May 13 18:42:21 2002 hey! Mon May 13 18:42:34 2002 Welcome to mass irc land Mon May 13 18:42:39 2002 yeah, I guess I just haven't made time to come Mon May 13 18:42:42 2002 I thought I would tonight Mon May 13 18:42:46 2002 cool Mon May 13 18:43:06 2002 How's life in Lincoln these days? Mon May 13 18:43:12 2002 last week I was busy discussing freetrade with linknoid and it was absorbing my entire mental energy Mon May 13 18:43:17 2002 fine. Mon May 13 18:43:26 2002 me and the wife are getting along wonderfully. Mon May 13 18:43:40 2002 that's great to hear Mon May 13 18:43:41 2002 My company landed $ 1.25 million in funding Mon May 13 18:43:47 2002 venture capital? Mon May 13 18:43:51 2002 which is all we calculate we need to become profitable Mon May 13 18:43:52 2002 yeah Mon May 13 18:44:01 2002 cool Mon May 13 18:44:15 2002 which is good, considering I've got a sizeable chunk of salary that I've been deferring into stock options Mon May 13 18:44:37 2002 heh Mon May 13 18:44:41 2002 I figured I was young, so I could roll the dice Mon May 13 18:44:47 2002 I think it might be panning out Mon May 13 18:46:30 2002 * Bitscape finds himself going through Magic withdrawl symptoms again Mon May 13 18:46:43 2002 Magic? Mon May 13 18:46:50 2002 ah, The Gathering? Mon May 13 18:46:54 2002 yes indeed. :) Mon May 13 18:47:08 2002 Humblik and I went to Hobby Town the other day and each got a prebuilt deck and played each other all evening Mon May 13 18:47:10 2002 Hadn't played it for years until last Thursday night, when Drizzt came to visit. Mon May 13 18:47:19 2002 cool Mon May 13 18:47:20 2002 oh! I'm so jealous! Mon May 13 18:47:30 2002 what brought him to town? Mon May 13 18:47:41 2002 He had to take the accounting test here Mon May 13 18:47:55 2002 So after he was done, he came and hung out at my place for a few days. Mon May 13 18:48:22 2002 cool Mon May 13 18:48:41 2002 I was pondering seeing if I could convince him to visit Lincoln around the time The Two Towers comes out Mon May 13 18:48:44 2002 but that would be tough Mon May 13 18:48:51 2002 As is our style, we spent the entire weekend on frivilous fun. :) Mon May 13 18:48:52 2002 probably without supplying monetary compensation Mon May 13 18:48:53 2002 :-) Mon May 13 18:48:58 2002 hmmm, yeah Mon May 13 18:49:38 2002 I wonder if there is any way our entire crowd could plan a mass gathering Mon May 13 18:49:40 2002 like a vacation Mon May 13 18:50:03 2002 Coordinating a time when *everyone* is free would be difficult, but probably not impossible. Mon May 13 18:50:38 2002 yeah Mon May 13 18:50:40 2002 A lot of people like to go home and visit family on common holidays (like Christmas), so that leaves those out. Mon May 13 18:50:47 2002 oh yeah Mon May 13 18:51:03 2002 it would have to be at a time between major holidays Mon May 13 18:51:06 2002 like august Mon May 13 18:51:14 2002 non-winter when travel is good, but light Mon May 13 18:51:19 2002 so airfares are cheap. :-) Mon May 13 18:51:24 2002 Maybe it could be coordinated around Jaeger's wedding. :) Mon May 13 18:51:32 2002 hmmmm Mon May 13 18:51:34 2002 I bet a lot of us will be there. Mon May 13 18:51:50 2002 problem is, to make the gathering I was just beginning to envision a success, we would need a big place to crash Mon May 13 18:51:55 2002 for the duration Mon May 13 18:52:04 2002 hmmm, yeah Mon May 13 18:54:21 2002 also, I think this might need to be planned a long time in advance Mon May 13 18:54:35 2002 I wonder if next May or something would be too far away Mon May 13 18:54:52 2002 if the guest list were something like: Mon May 13 18:54:57 2002 Brian and Natasha Mon May 13 18:54:59 2002 Ted and Gem Mon May 13 18:54:59 2002 never too soon to start thinking about it Mon May 13 18:55:03 2002 Me and Heidi Mon May 13 18:55:09 2002 Bitscape Mon May 13 18:55:11 2002 Linknoid Mon May 13 18:55:16 2002 Nemo Mon May 13 18:55:26 2002 suggestions? Mon May 13 18:55:49 2002 can't think of anyone else right now Mon May 13 18:56:14 2002 Maybe Timereaper, if he's interested. Mon May 13 18:56:19 2002 yeah Mon May 13 18:56:32 2002 and Travis Rein, if anybody knows how to get ahold of him. Mon May 13 18:56:35 2002 oh yeah! Mon May 13 18:56:40 2002 great idea! Mon May 13 18:59:02 2002 * Bitscape prepares himself some frozen pizza and salad for supper Mon May 13 19:00:43 2002 I tried doing a search on google.com for: "Travis Rein" with the quotes as a phrase search Mon May 13 19:01:03 2002 I saw several posts he made while at union in news groups Mon May 13 19:01:07 2002 and this is cool: Mon May 13 19:01:34 2002 number 9 is a festing.org IRC transcript listing his name Mon May 13 19:02:34 2002 heh Mon May 13 19:03:17 2002 Mon Feb 18 19:04:00 2002 Hey, I think I know you. Did you go to Union? Mon May 13 19:03:36 2002 Mon Feb 18 19:04:22 2002 Or wait, was that Travis Rein? Mon May 13 19:03:53 2002 Not too long ago Mon May 13 19:05:27 2002 *** Jaeger (jaeger@ziyal.festing.org) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 19:05:27 2002 Welcome to #fest, Jaeger. Mon May 13 19:05:37 2002 fun for the whole family Mon May 13 19:05:50 2002 transbot, could you give us a quote by the hacker formely known as "neelix"? Mon May 13 19:05:50 2002 Oh wonderful RA-type person... Mon May 13 19:05:50 2002 - Neelix, 22 October 1999 Mon May 13 19:07:09 2002 Jaeger, Mon May 13 19:07:20 2002 I am trying to figure out Travis Rein's current email address by Mon May 13 19:07:27 2002 using Google Mon May 13 19:07:30 2002 good luck. Mon May 13 19:07:31 2002 so far I think I've had good luck Mon May 13 19:07:34 2002 *** Linknoid2 (linknoid@vsat-148-63-89-56.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 19:07:34 2002 Welcome to #fest, Linknoid2. Mon May 13 19:07:38 2002 greetings linknoid Mon May 13 19:07:43 2002 hey Mon May 13 19:08:04 2002 I'm not sure how to join multiple channels from ircii, so I had to change my name Mon May 13 19:08:07 2002 it could be a task for one of those commercial people finders Mon May 13 19:08:10 2002 What great and exciting things did you learn in your quest? Mon May 13 19:08:24 2002 I found this email address: trrein@radiks.net Mon May 13 19:08:30 2002 which I sent a short email to Mon May 13 19:08:39 2002 and it hasn't bounced back at me Mon May 13 19:08:46 2002 so I think that's a good thing Mon May 13 19:08:55 2002 that was from a Xerces mailing list discussion Mon May 13 19:08:58 2002 or newsgroup Mon May 13 19:08:59 2002 I got an e-mail from Kris Westermeyer several months ago Mon May 13 19:09:04 2002 I didn't stop to figure out which, from 2000 Mon May 13 19:09:11 2002 cool, what's he up to? Mon May 13 19:09:14 2002 for entertainment: whois radiks.net Mon May 13 19:09:16 2002 or actually, many months ago (last November or December) Mon May 13 19:10:13 2002 Mindspring? Mon May 13 19:10:15 2002 Radiks Internet Access (RADIKS2-DOM) Mon May 13 19:10:15 2002 210 S. 16th St., Ste. M-10 Mon May 13 19:10:15 2002 Omaha, NE 68102 Mon May 13 19:10:25 2002 The names of the domain servers Mon May 13 19:10:29 2002 hmmm, right city Mon May 13 19:10:36 2002 so an ISP? Mon May 13 19:10:42 2002 ITCHY.MINDSPRING.NET 207.69.200.210 Mon May 13 19:10:42 2002 SCRATCHY.MINDSPRING.NET 207.69.200.211 Mon May 13 19:10:47 2002 that's nice! :-) Mon May 13 19:11:03 2002 * Jaeger thought so too Mon May 13 19:11:37 2002 * Linknoid2 tries compiling lots of programs with Intel's C++ compiler Mon May 13 19:11:45 2002 whatever for? Mon May 13 19:11:53 2002 efficiency Mon May 13 19:13:12 2002 * Jaeger queries: who has Episode II tickets? Mon May 13 19:13:25 2002 Do you, Jaeger? Mon May 13 19:13:37 2002 not yet. It's on my list of things to acquire today. Mon May 13 19:13:56 2002 kristoforwestermeyer@yahoo.com is his e-mail address, although it took him a while to respond when I replied to his e-mail Mon May 13 19:13:59 2002 * Bitscape considers Mon May 13 19:14:30 2002 * Yanthor points out that Humblik and he have considered tickets Mon May 13 19:14:39 2002 Bitscape: Humblik is one we forgot Mon May 13 19:14:45 2002 oh yeah! Mon May 13 19:14:53 2002 * Jaeger hopes to attend the 0001 showing right here in Walla Walla Mon May 13 19:14:57 2002 forgot humblik for what? Mon May 13 19:15:00 2002 * Yanthor think everyone else will go, huh? forgot regarding what? Mon May 13 19:15:18 2002 why not ask transbot what you missed? ;-) Mon May 13 19:15:26 2002 Bitscape and I Mon May 13 19:15:31 2002 well, if you insist. Mon May 13 19:15:31 2002 were discussing a major gathering Mon May 13 19:15:40 2002 that we might need to plan a year in advance Mon May 13 19:15:45 2002 so everyone could take vacation Mon May 13 19:15:53 2002 save for plane tickets (where necessary) Mon May 13 19:15:57 2002 that would indeed be exciting Mon May 13 19:16:02 2002 and find a place big enough to crash Mon May 13 19:16:03 2002 I get Christmas off Mon May 13 19:16:08 2002 transbot, what exciting conversation did i miss? Mon May 13 19:16:08 2002 *** DCC connections will use ports 8000 to 8014 Mon May 13 19:16:08 2002 *** DCC: Trying port 8000 Mon May 13 19:16:08 2002 *** Sent DCC CHAT [199.236.177.36:8000] request to Jaeger Mon May 13 19:16:14 2002 *** DCC chat: to Jaeger closed Mon May 13 19:16:19 2002 non-major holiday, so that people would be free to visit family Mon May 13 19:16:53 2002 or you could all come visit me here :-) Mon May 13 19:16:58 2002 so, for example, if Jaeger's folks were crazy enough to volunteer their place for the gathering, we wouldn't be crashing their place during Christmas or something Mon May 13 19:17:18 2002 I threw out May or August of 2003 Mon May 13 19:18:03 2002 of course, if we made it a habit every year or every other year, we could hit 2003 and 2005, and for May 2005 part of the agenda would be Mon May 13 19:18:07 2002 what's wrong with those? Mon May 13 19:18:08 2002 going to see Episode 3 Mon May 13 19:18:18 2002 why'd you throw them out? Mon May 13 19:18:19 2002 no, I mean I suggested May or August Mon May 13 19:18:34 2002 were you trying to invite yourself over, yanthor? :) Mon May 13 19:18:54 2002 * Jaeger just got a rejection letter from CMU. Mon May 13 19:19:02 2002 Five graduate school applications, five rejection letters. Mon May 13 19:19:06 2002 bummer Jaeger Mon May 13 19:19:13 2002 ouch Mon May 13 19:19:13 2002 So the upside is that I don't have any graduate schools to plan around. Mon May 13 19:19:23 2002 jaeger: lol, not really. Just pondering locations Mon May 13 19:19:26 2002 (and I get more money to play with diabolical schemes like this.) Mon May 13 19:19:41 2002 because I figured Bitscape, You, Me, Drizzt, and Humblik would all have too small of places Mon May 13 19:19:42 2002 I'm guessing a fast Internet connection wouldn't hurt for our little scheme? :) Mon May 13 19:19:54 2002 Bandwidth would be a requirement Mon May 13 19:19:56 2002 Given the guest list, I'm not sure even my place is big enough. Mon May 13 19:20:40 2002 Well, we couldn't expect a bigger place than your house, so I figured whichever place we chose, people would have to expect to be...cozy...at least to some extent. :-) Mon May 13 19:20:46 2002 If we schedule carefully (off-season), a multi-room condo for a week might work well. Mon May 13 19:20:56 2002 oooh, that's an idea Mon May 13 19:21:02 2002 but bandwidth would be a problem Mon May 13 19:21:10 2002 that has built in bandwidth? Mon May 13 19:21:10 2002 (for colorado, off-season is spring and fall, since skiing covers winter and summer is... summer.) Mon May 13 19:21:11 2002 unless we can find a condo with DSL Mon May 13 19:21:34 2002 (or other always on service) Mon May 13 19:21:46 2002 or we could have about 14 computers all sharing a dial up! Mon May 13 19:21:48 2002 * Yanthor smirks Mon May 13 19:21:57 2002 well, I have bandwidth, just not good latency Mon May 13 19:21:59 2002 That would be great fun. Mon May 13 19:22:06 2002 * Jaeger hates latency. With a passion. Mon May 13 19:22:35 2002 Latency is horrible, evil, and otherwise annoying. Mon May 13 19:22:41 2002 I've gotten up to 90 K/s, but 800 ms ping times Mon May 13 19:22:43 2002 I think Heidi could be interested in such a gathering if Gem and Natasha were there Mon May 13 19:22:59 2002 I'll see what I can do. Mon May 13 19:23:27 2002 * Jaeger points out that his fiancee uses Dvorak Mon May 13 19:23:35 2002 of course, it would make things much easier if the three married couples I've mentioned could avoid any...additions...to their families. :-) Mon May 13 19:23:39 2002 cool! Mon May 13 19:23:45 2002 did she switch after dating you? Mon May 13 19:23:47 2002 I'll see what I can do on that front as well. Mon May 13 19:23:59 2002 yeah. last summer, while we were communicating almost entirely via ICQ and e-mail. Mon May 13 19:24:03 2002 Heidi has pondered it seriously without any coercing from me Mon May 13 19:24:12 2002 but has yet to make the jump Mon May 13 19:24:38 2002 I suggested occassionally that Dvorak is the One True Way, but she actually made the move without any suggestion from me. Mon May 13 19:24:56 2002 She is convinced, though, that our children (which, we've decided, won't come for a while) will use both Qwerty and Dvorak Mon May 13 19:25:28 2002 we have also decided that children are NOT welcome--at least for many years Mon May 13 19:25:51 2002 I wonder what it would be like taking a a typing class after having grown up in a Dvorak family? Mon May 13 19:27:12 2002 * Bitscape wonders if a dvorak child would be made fun of and taunted by the other children. ;) Mon May 13 19:27:35 2002 maybe Jon Katz should write an article about it ;-) Mon May 13 19:27:38 2002 lol Mon May 13 19:27:39 2002 lol Mon May 13 19:30:34 2002 you know, using 3 different text based mail clients is confusing, they all have different key bindings Mon May 13 19:30:47 2002 mutt is the one true way Mon May 13 19:30:57 2002 I'd rather use elm Mon May 13 19:31:16 2002 but I've gotten used to pine on rage Mon May 13 19:31:17 2002 whatever for? mutt does transparent gpg integration Mon May 13 19:31:25 2002 hey Linknoid, maybe I should use Freetrade's new messaging model to revive MUTE! Mon May 13 19:31:34 2002 it would make a nice platform to build on Mon May 13 19:31:39 2002 * Jaeger isn't sure whether to twitch or laugh Mon May 13 19:31:42 2002 lol Mon May 13 19:31:48 2002 but mutt is the only thing available on ziyal Mon May 13 19:31:59 2002 That's because mutt is the one true mail client. Mon May 13 19:32:25 2002 yeah, you'd have messages like right Mon May 13 19:32:37 2002 talk about efficient use of network resources Mon May 13 19:33:26 2002 wow. CORBA isn't dead. In my search for Travis Rein on the internet, I noticed someone by that name posted fixes to mico.org's source tree for helping it work with MS VC++ Mon May 13 19:33:27 2002 one thing I've never done is used a GUI mail client, unless you count web mail Mon May 13 19:33:36 2002 mico.org apparently is a CORBA implementation Mon May 13 19:33:40 2002 and is still an active project Mon May 13 19:33:49 2002 he was quite into CORBA Mon May 13 19:33:54 2002 that would fit with what we know of Travis Mon May 13 19:34:10 2002 yes it would Mon May 13 19:34:32 2002 he wanted to make MUTE a CORBA server Mon May 13 19:34:34 2002 * Jaeger seems to recall that those posts (which I found, or similar ones, while I was seaching for trrein last summer) were from ~1998, when we knew he was involved in corba Mon May 13 19:34:41 2002 err service Mon May 13 19:34:52 2002 Yanthor: let me know about your success in hunting travis down. I'd love to regain contact. Mon May 13 19:34:57 2002 Linknoid: I must admit, I'm quite hooked on GUI mail clients. Even though I like Be's simplicity, I must admit that MS Outlook (the latest versions) is pretty impressive Mon May 13 19:35:06 2002 I have found it an amazingly efficient tool to use at work Mon May 13 19:35:20 2002 but it doesn't support VI editing of email messages. :-( Mon May 13 19:35:25 2002 how can it be efficient without letting you work in vi? Mon May 13 19:35:48 2002 never thought I'd hear that from you, Yanthor. :) Mon May 13 19:35:55 2002 I can edit stuff in vi even with 5 second lag because of the way it works Mon May 13 19:36:05 2002 gvim claims to integrate into visual studio as an ole plugin or something; perhaps it'll work with outhouse too. Mon May 13 19:36:08 2002 the way it handles all types of email messages, embeds and views attachments so easily, and seemlessly works with so many scheduling tools Mon May 13 19:36:21 2002 Does it do transparent gpg integration? Mon May 13 19:36:28 2002 jaeger: interesting Mon May 13 19:36:32 2002 what's gpg? Mon May 13 19:36:47 2002 I DON'T WANT MY E-MAIL CLIENT EMBEDDING AND VIEWING ATTACHMENTS "EASILY"! Mon May 13 19:36:48 2002 gnu privacy guard (free pgp implementation) Mon May 13 19:36:53 2002 gnu privacy guard Mon May 13 19:37:03 2002 I don't know. I haven't tried it yet Mon May 13 19:37:17 2002 I'm quite happy with the way pine and elm handle attachments Mon May 13 19:37:19 2002 * Jaeger is quite pleased that his mail client doesn't automatically execute content from e-mail Mon May 13 19:37:45 2002 (I suppose I shouldn't let my experiences with elm on snoopy taint the way i view the mail client.) Mon May 13 19:38:04 2002 also, I am quite reluctant to install anything that would mess with Outlook since it's on my work computer. Using outlook is vital to work at work, and our network guy would be pretty pissed off with me if he had to reinstall Outlook Mon May 13 19:38:07 2002 on my machine Mon May 13 19:38:46 2002 Jaeger: the not automatically executing anything is why I like my BeOS client so much Mon May 13 19:38:50 2002 I can use it worry free Mon May 13 19:39:01 2002 and I still handle my home email with BeOS Mon May 13 19:39:28 2002 it's people who use Outlook who send all those annoying HTML formatted e-mails, isn't it Mon May 13 19:39:42 2002 Or hotmail. Mon May 13 19:39:49 2002 can't figure out how (or don't know that they should) turn off HTML Mon May 13 19:39:56 2002 people at my work don't send HTML emails Mon May 13 19:40:31 2002 are you sure? Mon May 13 19:40:46 2002 (your mail client doesn't transparently do magical things to them?) Mon May 13 19:40:51 2002 I don't recall getting any hotmail messages for a very long time. Except my mom I guess, but she must have turned off HTML Mon May 13 19:41:30 2002 jaeger: if those last two comments were aimed at me, I'm sure they don't send HTML emails because of how they look, and often I send emails to myself at home and they're fine Mon May 13 19:41:50 2002 although I know lots of people do use Outlook to send HTML emails Mon May 13 19:42:04 2002 I think that kicks in when you do that "Stationary" crap Mon May 13 19:42:13 2002 *twitch* stationary Mon May 13 19:43:33 2002 * Linknoid2 goes in hunt of more food Mon May 13 19:45:48 2002 food, eh? I've heard of that stuff. Mon May 13 19:47:39 2002 * Linknoid2 gave in and ordered a new hard drive. 60 gig. half the size of my IIGS hard drive, in MB Mon May 13 19:48:32 2002 mmm... big hard drives... Mon May 13 19:48:39 2002 * Jaeger leeches from humblik Mon May 13 19:48:50 2002 from "Dave's Big Drive"? Mon May 13 19:48:55 2002 or should that be l33ch? Mon May 13 19:49:30 2002 1337 133ch Mon May 13 19:49:44 2002 (sorry, my l33t-speak is rusty.) Mon May 13 19:50:29 2002 * Jaeger just realized that he got the right answer from poking away at the friendly little dsp Mon May 13 19:50:44 2002 answer to what? Mon May 13 19:51:15 2002 The shared memory window position was revealed to be (from reading and massaging the right registers on the chip) the same as the jumper I set on the board. Mon May 13 19:51:59 2002 (I have a bunch of wires soldered to the pins of an ISA Ethernet card and I've connected them, with one glue-logic chip, to the neat little dsp devel board I got.) Mon May 13 19:52:14 2002 * Jaeger is officially hooked by Trigun Mon May 13 19:53:05 2002 what is Trigun? Mon May 13 19:53:05 2002 does anyone know the BEST way to make a computer with the least problems with static and heat? Mon May 13 19:53:24 2002 obviously I know the items of "good heat sinks" and ventilation and the like Mon May 13 19:53:38 2002 for heat, water cooling Mon May 13 19:53:44 2002 I guess I'm asking specifics like case brands/models and motherboard brands/models Mon May 13 19:53:47 2002 * Jaeger would suggest making sure the grounding pins are good Mon May 13 19:53:55 2002 * Jaeger has no idea about specific brands or models. Mon May 13 19:53:56 2002 for static, I don't know Mon May 13 19:54:01 2002 (I usually buy the cheapest stuff I can get my hands on.) Mon May 13 19:54:14 2002 but then again, I'm still a starving college student.) Mon May 13 19:54:16 2002 * Linknoid2 dreams of a quiet computer Mon May 13 19:54:31 2002 I've always had a few annoying flaky problems with Keiko, and was pondering what I could do to fix the problem Mon May 13 19:54:31 2002 that will let me dream in peace with the computer on Mon May 13 19:54:46 2002 do you have onboard heat sensors? Mon May 13 19:55:34 2002 does the heat register high? or do you think static is the bigger problem? Mon May 13 19:56:01 2002 for static, probably get copper weave wire for the computer room Mon May 13 19:56:11 2002 copper weave carpet, I should say Mon May 13 19:56:24 2002 I have onboard heat sensors and they don't seem to be high Mon May 13 19:56:39 2002 but then I'm not exactly sure what "high" is Mon May 13 19:56:48 2002 and get a water cooling kit (I really want to get one, as soon as I do more research, have more time and money) Mon May 13 19:56:54 2002 well, what's the average Mon May 13 19:57:06 2002 mine usually stays below 100 F Mon May 13 19:57:07 2002 * Yanthor watches his cat watch TV (I'm watching Whose Line is it Anyway in the background) Mon May 13 19:58:05 2002 ummm...I don't know, but I know its well above 100 F Mon May 13 19:58:07 2002 so... you're meta-watching tv? Mon May 13 19:58:16 2002 * Yanthor smiles Mon May 13 19:58:25 2002 I only end up watching the cat during commercials. :-) Mon May 13 19:58:42 2002 so is the cat watching commercials, or the show? Mon May 13 19:58:49 2002 maybe they'll start advertising directly to cats Mon May 13 19:59:00 2002 um, it was watching when I had sound on. I've muted the commercials and it's not interested now Mon May 13 19:59:20 2002 so I think sound has more to do with it. I've been told cats are color blind, so I can only figure it is more stimulated by sound Mon May 13 19:59:26 2002 * Linknoid2 hasn't watched TV in ... hmm... months Mon May 13 19:59:33 2002 probably since February Mon May 13 19:59:52 2002 I don't think they're color blind Mon May 13 20:00:13 2002 in fact, I think they can even see color in their night vision (when we only see greyscale) Mon May 13 20:00:27 2002 Dogs might be, I don't remember Mon May 13 20:00:37 2002 My cat just tried to take over my chair when I left and fought me for control of it. Mon May 13 20:00:44 2002 but just being color blind, you can still see movement Mon May 13 20:00:50 2002 he likes my chair best (the contours and the warmth when I've been siting in it) Mon May 13 20:01:44 2002 haven't you ever heard of black and white television? lack of color there doesn't make it any less visible what's going on (for the most part) Mon May 13 20:02:59 2002 * Jaeger modifies the connection of wires between his development board and glue logic Mon May 13 20:03:09 2002 (all hail glue logic!) Mon May 13 20:03:19 2002 does anyone have a mozilla icon I can use for launching (.png format preferred) Mon May 13 20:03:39 2002 I could make one Mon May 13 20:03:49 2002 but I don't trust either of my PNG translators for BeOS 100% Mon May 13 20:04:07 2002 you think they'll introduce a virus into the image? Mon May 13 20:04:21 2002 which would only affect you if you tried to open the png using outhouse Mon May 13 20:04:26 2002 no, I don't trust them to make PNGs correctly Mon May 13 20:04:43 2002 well, mainly because they can't read each other's PNG images Mon May 13 20:04:50 2002 well, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work Mon May 13 20:04:51 2002 one came with the OS, and the other came with Becasso Mon May 13 20:05:07 2002 $MOZILLA_DIRECTORY/icons/mozicon50.xpm Mon May 13 20:05:18 2002 thanks Mon May 13 20:05:53 2002 * Jaeger has an awesome sunset: pure yellow sky, sun on the horizon, rain streaking across the huge windows in the digital lab Mon May 13 20:06:29 2002 sun's already down here...strange, am I east of you? Mon May 13 20:06:51 2002 or maybe it's the mountains in the way Mon May 13 20:07:31 2002 * Jaeger has no mountains obstructing his view of the sun. Mon May 13 20:09:57 2002 well, I think I'm done for the evening Mon May 13 20:10:11 2002 nice chatting with everyone Mon May 13 20:10:22 2002 peace Mon May 13 20:10:24 2002 I think after the number of times we mentioned Travis Rein's name Mon May 13 20:10:35 2002 this chat should come up #1 on google.com when we Mon May 13 20:10:41 2002 do a search for "Travis Rein" Mon May 13 20:10:43 2002 glad you join us, Yanthor Mon May 13 20:10:45 2002 I did a search earlier Mon May 13 20:10:48 2002 well, who's going to link to it? Mon May 13 20:10:49 2002 s/join/joined/ Mon May 13 20:10:52 2002 and festing.org IRC transcript came up #9 Mon May 13 20:11:00 2002 by a comment by Zan Lynx Mon May 13 20:11:01 2002 it's based on how many people link Mon May 13 20:11:01 2002 it'll help to it if we happen to link to the transcript with "travis rein" in the link text. Mon May 13 20:11:19 2002 (i guess this won't count as a google whack, but it'd still be amusing.) Mon May 13 20:11:30 2002 lol Mon May 13 20:11:38 2002 yeah, well, see you guys later Mon May 13 20:11:39 2002 maybe Travis Rein will come searching for his name and find this Mon May 13 20:11:49 2002 yeah, maybe. :-) Mon May 13 20:11:52 2002 *** Yanthor has left channel #fest Mon May 13 20:11:52 2002 Yanthor has left the building Mon May 13 20:12:06 2002 *** Mode change "+o Jaeger" on channel #fest by TransBot Mon May 13 20:12:23 2002 so bitscape, the castle lair a little quieter now? Mon May 13 20:12:28 2002 mplayer with aalib is just awesome Mon May 13 20:12:56 2002 I don't think bitscape has been with us for quite some time Mon May 13 20:13:02 2002 a bit Mon May 13 20:13:09 2002 I'm here, more or less Mon May 13 20:13:26 2002 He said a few things when Yanthor announced his departure. Mon May 13 20:13:27 2002 * Bitscape listens to Spiritualized Mon May 13 20:13:49 2002 oops, didn't see those comments up there Mon May 13 20:14:02 2002 I told Yanthor earlier that I'm going through Magic withdrawl again Mon May 13 20:14:19 2002 aalib lets me watch my DVDs from the text console :-) Mon May 13 20:14:35 2002 and you were active in the advanced-planning discussion. Mon May 13 20:14:55 2002 advanced planning? Mon May 13 20:15:29 2002 oh right. that was before you arrived. Mon May 13 20:15:41 2002 *** Linknoid (linknoid@vsat-148-63-89-56.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 20:15:41 2002 Welcome to #fest, Linknoid. Mon May 13 20:15:50 2002 *** Signoff: Linknoid2 (Linknoid2) Mon May 13 20:15:50 2002 Linknoid2 has left the building Mon May 13 20:15:53 2002 (diabolical schemes for gathering in a massive group at some point in the future.) Mon May 13 20:15:54 2002 greetings Mon May 13 20:16:00 2002 (again) Mon May 13 20:16:20 2002 I was here, but that was a while back Mon May 13 20:17:24 2002 how do I copy from a gnome terminal? Mon May 13 20:17:39 2002 (1) select the text Mon May 13 20:17:43 2002 (2) middle-click somewhere else Mon May 13 20:17:52 2002 (1) done Mon May 13 20:18:39 2002 the paste feature seems to work fine, but not copy Mon May 13 20:19:26 2002 ok, so it's middle click Mon May 13 20:20:09 2002 I've started using Linux a lot more since I got Xfree86 supported Mon May 13 20:20:12 2002 I want a 3/3 flying creature! Mon May 13 20:20:37 2002 how about a 10/10 flying creature with first strike and trample Mon May 13 20:20:47 2002 That would do. :) Mon May 13 20:20:52 2002 * Jaeger wonders how a flying creature could get trample Mon May 13 20:21:03 2002 * Linknoid had one of those once Mon May 13 20:21:18 2002 What was the casting cost? Mon May 13 20:21:51 2002 I think 2 green, 8 colorless, plus a "additions" Mon May 13 20:22:02 2002 additions? Mon May 13 20:22:10 2002 s/a /a few / Mon May 13 20:22:21 2002 rancor, etc. Mon May 13 20:23:02 2002 rancor was horrid Mon May 13 20:23:13 2002 it was the reason I started putting Erase in my decks. Mon May 13 20:24:53 2002 I suddenly find myself getting the urge to build a new deck Mon May 13 20:26:52 2002 * Linknoid sold all my cards at a fraction of the price so I wouldn't be tempted to play or "invest" in them anymore Mon May 13 20:28:02 2002 *** Yanthor (Yanthor@h162-040-091-211.adsl.navix.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 20:28:02 2002 Welcome to #fest, Yanthor. Mon May 13 20:28:06 2002 quick! Mon May 13 20:28:08 2002 anyone who can get to a TV Mon May 13 20:28:09 2002 Looks who's back Mon May 13 20:28:11 2002 welcome back Mon May 13 20:28:12 2002 Scifi channel right now Mon May 13 20:28:16 2002 * Bitscape goes Mon May 13 20:28:18 2002 is running a Star Wars special Mon May 13 20:28:22 2002 hosted by Kevin Smith Mon May 13 20:28:27 2002 nice! Mon May 13 20:28:30 2002 they said, 11 Eastern, 10 central Mon May 13 20:28:39 2002 I don't know what they are doing for mountain or pacific Mon May 13 20:28:48 2002 right now they have some behind the scenes on episode 2 Mon May 13 20:28:51 2002 going back to watch Mon May 13 20:28:53 2002 *** Signoff: Yanthor () Mon May 13 20:28:53 2002 Yanthor has left the building Mon May 13 20:29:09 2002 *** Yoda (bitscape@12-253-115-223.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 20:29:09 2002 Welcome to #fest, Yoda. Mon May 13 20:29:17 2002 Episode 2 Mon May 13 20:29:33 2002 This was on last night too Mon May 13 20:29:38 2002 oh yeah, well I've already seen all the way up to episode 6, so there! Mon May 13 20:30:39 2002 wow, bouncing is getting a lot of comments modded up on slashdot recently Mon May 13 20:39:33 2002 long silence Mon May 13 20:40:11 2002 * Jaeger attempts to access his Ethernet card's shared memory Mon May 13 20:55:29 2002 *** Kiesa (kiesa@dialup-ip-206-107-184-68.wal.rmci.net) has joined channel #fest Mon May 13 20:55:29 2002 Welcome to #fest, Kiesa. Mon May 13 20:55:53 2002 :)(: Mon May 13 20:56:02 2002 Hello :) Mon May 13 20:56:03 2002 (that was directed at Kiesa, not anyone else in the channel.) Mon May 13 20:56:09 2002 I was just about to ask. Mon May 13 20:56:16 2002 * Jaeger develops Mon May 13 20:56:26 2002 How's it go Jaeger? Mon May 13 20:56:31 2002 yes. It goes. Mon May 13 20:56:35 2002 umm . . . that should be going. Mon May 13 20:58:27 2002 Trigun is awesome. Mon May 13 20:58:41 2002 Developing? Mon May 13 20:59:20 2002 Trigun is awesome as anime. The developing... yes. it is. Mon May 13 20:59:54 2002 I've figured out how to use the byte dma feature of my processor, but I'm still trying to figure out what to do with it. Mon May 13 21:00:30 2002 I was trying to explain to your mother exactly what you were working on. I don't think I was terribly successful Mon May 13 21:00:58 2002 Have you explained it to her before or has she been to afraid to ask? Mon May 13 21:01:07 2002 I haven't explained it to her. (She hasn't asked.) Mon May 13 21:01:32 2002 ah Mon May 13 21:01:50 2002 how long do you have to finish it? Mon May 13 21:01:59 2002 I'm scheduled to present next Tuesday morning. Mon May 13 21:02:51 2002 Do you think it'd be a terrible thing for me not to go to work tomorrow? Once again I'm not scheduled. Mon May 13 21:03:01 2002 * Jaeger doesn't think it'd be horrible. Mon May 13 21:03:09 2002 (since you're not scheduled, and you don't care about working.) Mon May 13 21:03:19 2002 (on the other hand, you could allocate the money you earn for some great and wonderful purpose.) Mon May 13 21:03:34 2002 Well, I would like to earn money but every day I sit there at the phones, I contemplate suicide. Mon May 13 21:03:46 2002 In that case, you shouldn't go. Mon May 13 21:03:54 2002 Were you sucessful taking my mother to the airport? Mon May 13 21:05:15 2002 And Jaeger said: "You don't need to get directions for the airport. There will be signs!" Mon May 13 21:05:54 2002 um... should I get a bad feeling about this? Mon May 13 21:06:01 2002 uh-huh Mon May 13 21:06:20 2002 How bad of a feeling? Mon May 13 21:06:31 2002 You did get to Pasco, right? Mon May 13 21:06:34 2002 Well, I did drop them off in time to catch their flight. Mon May 13 21:06:48 2002 Well, not at first Mon May 13 21:07:10 2002 (head west on US 12, as if you were going home. Instead of turning south at Wallula, on US 730, turn north. You'll pass the paper mill.) Mon May 13 21:07:26 2002 that part I did manage successfully Mon May 13 21:07:53 2002 good. Mon May 13 21:07:58 2002 What part did you have trouble with? Mon May 13 21:08:09 2002 I didn't take the turn off to Pasco Mon May 13 21:08:24 2002 um... what turn off to pasco? Mon May 13 21:09:12 2002 I don't know. That's part of the problem. Mon May 13 21:09:22 2002 i see. Mon May 13 21:10:03 2002 At any rate. Once I turned toward the try cities, I didn't see any airport sign so I merrily drove along until the road I was on ended. Mon May 13 21:10:40 2002 (Are you sensing any bitterness directed at you yet?) ;) Mon May 13 21:10:43 2002 (it's tri-cites, not "try".) The airport is one of the first exits. Mon May 13 21:10:45 2002 (a little.) Mon May 13 21:10:51 2002 hmph Mon May 13 21:10:54 2002 (should I tri a little harder?) Mon May 13 21:11:36 2002 Jaeger, I think you better do the driving once she becomes Mrs. Kiesa Logan Mon May 13 21:11:45 2002 :P Mon May 13 21:11:51 2002 :) Mon May 13 21:12:26 2002 She usually designates the driving to me, even when it's her car. Mon May 13 21:12:32 2002 I'm too lazy. Mon May 13 21:12:41 2002 (Especially when we're going to hard places, like Pasco airport.) Mon May 13 21:13:04 2002 The upside is, this way you'll never be able to let me get away without giving you directions. Mon May 13 21:13:07 2002 Plus, I'm not good at finding places even if I've been there before (when I first started driving, I had no idea how to get to the library even though I visited it at least once a week) Mon May 13 21:13:14 2002 (how long did it take you to find it?) Mon May 13 21:13:20 2002 ("it" being the airport) Mon May 13 21:13:29 2002 you sound like my sister Mon May 13 21:13:42 2002 Umm . . . . probably about 40 min longer than it should (we also missed the correct exit a second time -- I swear there was no sign) Mon May 13 21:13:48 2002 she couldn't tell people how to get to our house until she got to academy Mon May 13 21:13:52 2002 Great. I guess I had better not say too many derrogatory things about the driving abilities of the hacker formerly known as Neelix. Mon May 13 21:15:04 2002 Oh and Jaeger, while I was stuck in the car with your mom and umm . . . (I forgot her name) they attempted shove all sorts of useful marriage information into my head. Mon May 13 21:15:11 2002 how does his driving ability come into this? Mon May 13 21:15:19 2002 vickie marsh. What did you learn? Mon May 13 21:15:33 2002 fine. maybe not driving ability, but rather direction-finding ability. Mon May 13 21:16:03 2002 Well. . . the first year was the hardest for both on them. You need to compromise a lot (this was a dominant theme) Mon May 13 21:16:04 2002 anything to do with driving out to your place for his wedding? or something else? Mon May 13 21:16:55 2002 I think your mother was gratified when I told her that you communicated more openly than me. (Mrs. Logan, "Well, I certainly worked hard enough at trying to get him to communicate!") Mon May 13 21:17:04 2002 When he lived in the Commune, he had serious trouble remembering where to go around Lincoln. If Humblik and I wern't with him, he would have gotten seriously lost. Several times. Mon May 13 21:17:10 2002 (Of course, she doesn't realize how little I communicate) Mon May 13 21:17:27 2002 yes, my mother worked rather hard on getting me to communicate. Mon May 13 21:17:43 2002 She was trying fairly hard at breakfast too. Mon May 13 21:20:00 2002 Hmm . . . I like how css acts in IE much better than Mozilla (will you still marry me Jaeger?) Mon May 13 21:20:29 2002 It's all about compromising. Mon May 13 21:20:34 2002 :) Mon May 13 21:27:59 2002 *** Signoff: Yoda (a jedi you will be) Mon May 13 21:27:59 2002 Yoda has left the building Mon May 13 21:30:52 2002 Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 when he coulda had a V-8. Mon May 13 21:31:37 2002 oh well, seems like the any conversation has died. might as well go to bed so I can get up in the morning Mon May 13 21:31:49 2002 wave Mon May 13 21:31:54 2002 *** Signoff: Linknoid (Leaving) Mon May 13 21:31:54 2002 Linknoid has left the building Mon May 13 21:32:18 2002 There was conversation? Mon May 13 21:32:23 2002 yeah, actually. Mon May 13 21:32:29 2002 (it died a while before you arrived.) Mon May 13 21:33:50 2002 I don't suppose you'd be interested in picking me up? Mon May 13 22:01:06 2002 Oh, sorry. Didn't hear you. Mon May 13 22:01:34 2002 Yeah, I'll pick you up. Where? Mon May 13 22:02:29 2002 um... thinking about rendezvous coordinates... Mon May 13 22:03:16 2002 I'll be in the parking lot just south of kretschmar. Mon May 13 22:03:45 2002 south . . . Mon May 13 22:03:50 2002 which side is south Mon May 13 22:03:52 2002 ? Mon May 13 22:04:04 2002 The opposite of north. Mon May 13 22:04:07 2002 :P Mon May 13 22:04:08 2002 (along fourth street) Mon May 13 22:04:17 2002 Is this the normal parking lot? Mon May 13 22:04:29 2002 yep. Mon May 13 22:04:37 2002 Should I leave now? Mon May 13 22:04:55 2002 yeah. Mon May 13 22:05:02 2002 Okay, bye bye beautiful Mon May 13 22:05:07 2002 Bye bitscape Mon May 13 22:05:09 2002 *** Signoff: Kiesa () Mon May 13 22:05:09 2002 Kiesa has left the building Mon May 13 22:06:54 2002 * Bitscape prepares to sleep Mon May 13 22:07:03 2002 *** Signoff: Bitscape (zzzz) Mon May 13 22:07:03 2002 Bitscape has left the building Mon May 13 22:08:16 2002 well transbot, it's been fun Mon May 13 22:08:24 2002 how about a quote to send us off, transbot? Mon May 13 22:08:24 2002 We want our content solutions to be your content solutions too. Thank you. Mon May 13 22:08:24 2002 - splash page for Bitscape's Lounge Mon May 13 22:08:27 2002 bye bye transbot Mon May 13 22:08:27 2002 Ok, that's a wrap